Well said ard. Peter in no way did you piss me off,bitter ? no sorry I don't wear that badge either. I live here on the ground Peter, I work with a lot of protestants and respect their viewpoint and they do mine. I am a proud Republican of 45 years of age. Within that time I have seen,suffered,lost and listened. Never needed to depend on reading newspapers from afar.Last night I spoke my phone to a friend who has a lifetime involvement with Na Fianna Eireann. We did speak of the the youth culture and how so much has changed. I listen to what you have to say Peter, never with insult I might add. I did relay your viewpoint. To a point we agreed with what you are saying regarding our youth. But this is in the upper to middle classes. Try to put your point across it the sprawling housing developements of working class areas, where the numbers are. Peter you would have no case. I have no reason to lie to you, christ the main point you should be making is that we continue to move there numbers towards Sinn Fein, which we are. The numbers are there and that's both sides of the border. I note your post made remarks towards the Catholic Church, sorry can't agree with you there, but can't talk about it either as I no longer attend, since the statement of 1983 when the likes of me were asked to leave. Anyway you hold a viewpoint and I respect it. But always listen to the man on the ground, even if he is in the eyes of many nothing but a bigoted provo bastard, which I'm not. Thanks Jim