Well, looking back at the run-up to war I remember quite vividly a number of credible folks who were openly questioning the WMD argument, Scott Ritter being the one who most readily comes to mind. Ritter should have known a little about this seein' as he was a former inspector himself... But Scott Ritter was blackballed by the media... One in particular was Judy Miller, who is now in jail for not revealing her sources... I'm glad she's in jail and I wouldn't mind seein' a few more media-ites jailed fir their role in tag teaming ther American people with Bush's PR department...

Then there was this issue of a phony college kids term paper that trumped Joe Wilson's assessment of the charge that Saddam was trying to buy uranium from Niger... Like what was that all about???

Maybe lie isn't "technically" what the Bushites did (and continue to do) since they seem to find someone that *they* determine credible to tell them stuff and then the Buishites go out an parrot these things irregardless of the truth value.

I am also reminded of the Saudi Proposal (Mitchell Porposal) which was on the table before the invasion. And I remmember just how the Bushites dismissed it aas if it was child's play.... Had they gone in that direction, it is my opinion and the opinion of most folks that Dougie would call "liberal", that the world would be a lot better off today...

But there would have been one distince loser here and that would have been the Bushites... Without *their* war (not mine, that's fir sure...) they could see that their guy would have a difficult time being re-elected and that would not bode well for the thievin' that they and their big donors had begun... The saddest thing about the Bush erra is that what we have seen is a massive burden put on the average American working man and woman and a redistribution of income to those who were rich prior to 2000...

But I will give the Bushitres credit for throwing up so many smoke screens, sideshows and distrations that by the time the average Americabworker figures it out, he or she will be so far in debt that the current Social Security argument will seem a joke since most folks who are 30's and 40's will never get to retire... Nice slight of the hand, I must say...

And lastly, I'll just reiterate waht I have said going back a long time: When the US and UK leave Iraq, it will fall into civil war. Won't matter when or how many marines or Iraqis have died. Won't matter when the US and UK leave. This war is allready lost...

Bobert