Hi Johnny good to hear from you again!

I think I agree with you about Thatcher, unlike Blair she certainly wasn't a hypocrite.
She actually believed in what she was doing, and knew it would work for those she represented.

I never meant this to turn into a Thatcher bashing thread, I was more interested in debating the political reasons behind the changes in our national perception, that allows our prime minester and the majority of his cabinet to carry out such repressive policies at home and abroad and still remain, as Shakibus says, electible.

Blair and New Labour are short term, motivated by the need to stay in office above all else, and I believe this culture of deceit has affected most of the UK population.
Who these days regards any politician with any degree of respect?
Its now accepted that lies and distortion are part of the job.

Time we realised that winning elections means nothing if what we get at the end of the process is worthless...Ake