I'd better clarify shambles. they would turn on me for suggesting Max should defend them (by something as simple as a statement the the no rules bit you quote no longer stands, deflating one key poin in the basis of many of your arguments). It's just a case of me (again) breaking an unwritten rule round here. By enjoy it, I mean getting the stick you dish out but I don't see why they should be bullied into quitting by you.

I think you would find matters a lot worse if there were no volunteers and don't think the current system/policy is a bad one. In truth, and in terms of other forums including ones I do help mod, it is light so I think you would find you have more problems in most other places. It's just seeimg people accused for obeying Max's rules that is annoying me.