I do, however, regret the hint of rudeness that has crept into the thread. If we must have the debate let's maintain some decorum and respect. Folks wouldn't say some of the things they say here to the person sitting next to them in a bar for fear of a punch on the nose, so no need for it here either.

The attempt to return to reasonable debate was welcome but you and I must frequent different pubs than some of my friends here do.....

There used to be no need for such things here - but not too surprisingly given the circumstances - there sadly does now seem to be a need.

Yes - Hang the witch!

This thread does well demonstrate the problem but there are very few real attempts to find a solution. Perhaps this 'combat and chaos' is now the new 'rock and roll' that our forum must now get used to?