Whoa! Sorry missed it on the other thread! Doug, my last name is Richards, and I'm from (a relative term) Jacksonville, North Carolina. As a former military brat (as of this year) I've been everywhere, but since my mother & father and 98.5% of both families are from Philadelphia, PA, I consider Philly my home. And we got a rocking hockey team this year! Are you possibly a descendant of the Pennsylvania coalminer Richards too? :}--Mbo