"...we are the only ones who can help the system get fixed.The way we can do this is with open and honest dialogue without the mud slinging..."

Very true, mississippitom, but don't expect Mudcat to get any better unless the Liberal elite stand up and show some leadership. They must discipline their fringe loonies or this place will become a complete anarcistic joke.

The best minds, like Terribus, left a long time ago.