The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #84217   Message #1568195
Posted By: Stilly River Sage
22-Sep-05 - 01:11 AM
Thread Name: BS: Black looters, white finders
Subject: RE: BS: Black looters, white finders
If you don't agree with the list of "black expressions" or their origins, perhaps you should state which expressions you disagree with.


Dianavan, I'm frankly not interested in adding more fuel to this fire. The lists presented so far are compiled with no eye to anyone actually researching them and I find it pointless to argue about the contents of such lists.

SRS said, "Undergrads usually don't have the critical thinking skills established yet to construct the complex arguments needed for these conferences.."

Huh???


I think instead of my not knowing what I'm talking about, you aren't acquainted with the rigours of academia and what has to go into putting together a paper for a scholarly conference. Undergrads rarely have the stamina for such work, since they are rarely required to write papers with the depth (sophistication of topic and number of sources) and length (minimum 20 pages) required. The young woman in question had been egged on, perhaps perversely, by someone at her university. Someone should have vetted her paper first, but it went in unchallenged as part of a panel, or it would never have been accepted. This woman had not developed the self-knowledged to realize that she had a lot to learn. She was in over her head, drawing generalizations based on her ability to pull together a list, not to understand the contents.

Critical thinking skills may be in the process of developing in an individual at any age, regardless of their level of schooling.

They hopefully evolve at any age, but in America today I see a distressingly small attempt at teaching school children these skills. In undergraduate work, unless students are in very competitive programs or Honors programs, few are called upon to work that hard. She wasn't one of the few. And when I look at the outcome of the last election, I know that critical thinking skills were never taught to millions of Americans.

Personally, I think Azizi probably has a better take on this than you. As has been mentioned previously, it is how the expression is perceived (rather than the origin) that actually matters.

Sorry, you're wrong. We have different views of the topic, which is allowed in any logical debate. It's too over-simplified to suggest that someone's race automatically makes them an expert in all aspects of things affecting that race. That's not really what you're suggesting, is it? Experience and thoughtful consideration and attention to detail all come into play.

Of course origin matters. It matters as much as the reception. It's understanding that different groups bring different sets of meanings to the same words that goes into the Semiotics which are at the heart of this argument.

SRS