Jimmy C - 07 Oct 05 - 06:26 PM

Lets have have a look at JimmyC's Irish Rebellions between 1798 and 1916:

Just because there as no major outbreak of fighting does not mean the nationalist spirit was dead.

Hey Jimmy we're talking rebellion here not just thinking about it - if such is the qualification somebody getting just slightly miffed and giving themselves a damn good talking to on his way back from the chip shop of a Thursday night would count as a significant political statement.

1803 - Robert Emmet marches towards Dublin Caste with about 100 followers. - The walk home from the chip shop revisited. Came to nothing, signified nothing, meant nothing, achieved nothing.

The same year (1803) Michael Dwyer surrende4ec and was transported to Australia, - Probably just wanted a free ticket out of the damn province how many of his lads did he take with him, obviously not enough. Dwyer and his men had been fighting a meaningless and ineffectual guerilla war in the Wicklow mountains since 1798 that no other bastard happened to notice, until even he reached such a high water point of boredom that he gave himself up.

1819, Legislation is drafted to curb Rural Secret Societies ?. - Any such legislation put into force? No trouble as such but still organizing.

1823 - Daniel O'Donnell forms the Catholic Association to agitate for emancipation ? so much for your anti-slavery theory. Should have stuck to his concerts for old ladies, he obviously stuck to that guaranteed recipe for success later in his career. Acknowledged fact, world wide - the United Kingdom led the anti-slavery movement and the fact that that had fuck all to do with Catholic Emancipation did not make it a "bad thing".

1825- The House of Lords rejects a Bill granting Catholic Emancipation ?, ( see above note on slavery). Well in all fairness anything Daniel O'Donell was infavour of, the natural reaction is to oppose so what the hell, they were probably right in doing so.

1828 - Daniel O'Donnell wins the Clare by-electin but cannot enter Parliament because of the sweater some of his most ardent fans insist that he wears, this was overturned the following year, on the condition that he wear an overcoat.

Of course we also had a thing often referred to as a famine, as did the rest of Europe which you bastards seem to forget.

1846 - this is a real beauty - Despite the famine, large quantities of grain are exported to pay rents of absentee landlords, - how does that little items grab you ?. With incredible surprise as what was commonly referred to as the great hunger did not manifest itself until 1847 and lasted until 1851.

1848 - John Mitchell begins publishing the rebel newspaper : United Irishman". Was this paper banned, if that was when he started, when did he ever complete his task?

Also in 1848 the Government passes the Treason-Felony Act to deal with the Young Irelander movement , now aht do you think they were all about ?. Fuck knows, like the bulk of the population of Ireland, never heard of them, they therefore must have been pretty significant in the minds of republican Irishmen

1856 - Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa founds the Phoenix Society - to do what sell insurance? Certainly not cost the goverment of the day a wink of sleep.

1858 James Stephens founds " The Irish Republican Brotrherhood". As those who wished to join the "Pheonix Society" did not generally know how to spell Pheonix. Meanwhile the government of the day still sleeps soundly.

1859 - The Fenians, an Irish-American group similar to the I.R.B is founded in New York. They thought that they had better do it there as no fucker was paying the blindest bit of notice back across the other side of the Atlantic.

1860 The Irish Volunteers of teh Fighting 69th refuse to parade before the Prince of Wales, who actually could not have cared less being completely brassed off with the whole agenda. All he wanted to do was to retire to a well known hostelry and have a good time. By the way what were those Irish Volunteers volunteeering for in 1860 - the country being at peace at the time they were probably a bunch of idle wasters - big on theatricals short on action - hence the nom-de-guerre "The Fightin' 69th" in 1860 their only possible adversaries would have been themselves.

1866, Some 800 fenians invade Canada, occupoy Fort Erie (unoccupied at the time - typical sort of move for these fucking heroes) and retret across the border after a battle at Lime Ridgeway (which they lost). At the time, where the might of Vicorias Empire was approaching it's height, 67% of the personnel serving in the British Army were Roman Catholic Irishmen who showed no desire whatsoever to alter the staus quo.

1867 The Fenian rising planned for March is delayed (due to leaves on the tracks?), but then you know how infuriating it is to spend weeks planning and plotting and then have it all come to naught. The arrest of the leaders in Manchester lead to an attempted rescue of Tomas Kelly, in which a policeman was killed, three irishmen - Allen, Larkin and O'Brien - The Manchester Martyrs (poor dears, how sweet) paid the price for this - So did the policeman you tosser.

1869 ' The Amnesty Association is formed after reports that fenian prisoners were being persecuted in prison - Ah well, how terrible, too bad, never mind.

"Teribus, I could go on and on but I hope the above will dispel ther notion that republicianism died after 1798 and was not reborn until 1916." I bet you could, but then I never suggested that.

Throughout the length and breadth of the world I dare say you could find, "one act of republicianism, either by word or deed in every year after '98 and many more in the years previous." All of which amounted to absolutely nothing.

"The idea of one (u)nited Ireland did not start in 1798 and has not ended to date. Pax Britannia my arse." On review I suppose the phrase "Croppy Lie Down" would reflect the state of affairs more accurately - not many historians would agree with you - you don't seem to be able to tell your arse from your elbow. As stated in my previous posting "Pax Britannia" was a clearly defined time in the history of the world that any historian could identify - you can refuse to recognise this all you want, absolutely no skin of my nose.