we are both in error by conducting this discussion as if there were only 'two sides'. That enables you to point to "litmus test liberals" and claim that "thou shalt nots" are in decline...and allows me to infer that conservatives all want to meddle. (I did say 'many', but it was weak)

No...sorry, but "thou shalt nots" are NOT in decline...they have not won all of their demands, but they sure are yelling and preaching! Perhaps, having lived in Kansas for many years, I am a bit sensitive to it all.....*wry grin*.

As to the issues of 'killing a baby'.....it seems obvious that it (the metaphysical status of a fetus) is clearly not a matter that allows "proof"- one way or the other. I can see no other way than to respect each other's belief and not interfere. You may be surprised that I feel the same way about capital punishment. It is, sadly, sometimes necessary and appropriate....but like abortion, should not be done in haste.

and....to be totally honest, I was startled that Bush appointed someone of John Roberts ability and stature! I may not end up liking all his decisions, but he clearly is competent to hold the job. I suspect that Bush & Co. know something I don't...but....*shrug*

I think one of the most interesting questions about being human is "how can two people look at the same issue, the same evidence, the same arguments...and reach diametrically opposite opinions?"...and of course, part of the answer is that they start with different presuppositions about what what correct answers are supposed to look like. So the problem then becomes 'how can we educate people to THINK, rather than just have knee-jerk reactions to their own prejudices?'

I'm still working on myself....hoping I don't make TOO many errors as I quibble with others. A lifetime is not long enough.