Since the object of this thread is directly linked to a response I made in an effort to assist someone find Sea Shanties. I feel obligated to post a response on this thread. Where you to read, and try to understand the context of my post; you would not have found any covert or overtly direct attempt at sexism. Taken that most of you do not know me personally, and must judge me by my written actions; it behooves me to be explicit and carefull in how I communicate with you. Although I am a very base, white, conservative, English born male; who's occupation since the age of sixteen involved a lack of female company for months on end; and spent most of my teenage years inhabiting pubs, taverns, and houses of ill repute. I take no delight in the common use of vulgarity, or obscene language commonly used within the presence of ladies. That being said; I carry bruises of a physical kind, from my dear long suffering wife, who takes great exception to the fact that when something happens that irritates me, or pisses me off in general. I usually express myself in the basic nautical (four letter and others of longer duration)language that I grew up with. This languge of the sea, descriptively beautifull, if coarse and foul to some. This much maligned use of Shakespeares eloquent English finds it's way into our songs. Forgive me for stating the obvious; but most of the Pub songs and Shanties I know that would be emminently suitable for Timbrel to sing; are worded to be sung by a male in the first person. Even if the female singing them were surgically altered, leather and chain clad, Ninja trained, chemically enhanced, biker broad's from Hell; they would still have trouble with credibility. I do not know Timbrel, but I suspect she is nowhere near the description I just gave you; therefore, I believe I have made my point. Further postings on the Shanty thread gave her as many examples of shanties that I knew would work with her singing in the first person. Because she wishes to sing bawdy songs, she endeared herself to me. I would love to hear her sing them, or purchase one of her CD's Some of my suggestions would involve altering words to allow her to sing first person versions of the songs; but this is well within the norm for Shantymen like her. Since as Winston Churchill emminently explained "MAN, EMBRACES WOMAN" and in every discharge book I have ever written in states SEAMAN HE/SHE I doubt if there is any need for me to discuss this further. Yours, (politically incorrect and proud of it)Aye. Dave