CH, it is my understanding ANYONE can post anything they wish to Wikipedia. I'd think a sceptic such as yourself would be wary of such. Also, it is too bad a person who has been a student/member of something for over 25 years is not considered a valid source of info about an org. On that premise I guess you would not be the person to ask about your pub sessions, etc. I'll have to look it up in Wik, instead.

I consider your comment about those people associated with AMORC, which I posted, a personal insult.

BillD, "AMROC?" **bg**

they expect us to set aside certain notions of scientific proof and logic. They often ask us to "open ourselves" to experiences and energies that cannot be directly measured, so that we may acquire knowledge of powers and existance beyond the usual 3-dimensional world we live in. The very process of "opening ones self" creates a mindset that suggests one OUGHT to see something or be thought flawed or lacking in some way.

Bill, I hope to get back to you with my brother's input within the next few days (it's kind of hectic here this week) but, in the meantime I can only say this is what I know to be true from my experience and the experiments which Rog (the hard-headed engineer) and I have both carried out in our studies:

We have never been required, nor asked to set aside "scientific proof or logic." In fact, many of the monographs include scientifically-based experiments. Many, many members are scientists and extremely logic-based individuals.

"Opening ones self" simply means to approach with an open mind and does not in any way imply a fault or lack. I, for one, am quite glad that Louis Pasteur, Marie Curie, etc. all were brave enough to consider that which may not have been perceived as able to be "directly measured" until further investigation.

Of course, you are free to carry on with whatever assumptions you care to make.

kat