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Thread #86342   Message #1605530
Posted By: Mick Pearce (MCP)
15-Nov-05 - 11:26 AM
Thread Name: Tune Req: Jolly Pinder of Wakefield
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Jolly Pinder of Wakefield
Here's the tune from Chappell. I've modified a few note values slightly to fit the words he gives (when he assigns more than one word to a note).

On the tune he says: "Two copies can be found, under that name, among the lute manuscripts (said to be Dowland's) in the Public Library, Cambridge (D. d. ii. 11, and D. d. iii. 18); a third is contained in a manuscript volume of virginal music of the time of Queen Elizabeth, no in the possession of Dr. Rimbault...The tune,in this instance, is to be found in the base <of the virginal music - MCP>, and in the inner part& and I am indebted to Dr. Rimbault for extracting it. Such versions are never very satisfactory, but must be accepted when no better are to be had".


There is also a footnote to The Bailiff's Daughter of Islington in Simpson's The British Broadside Ballad and its Music which I have trouble deciphering the exact meaning of, so I'll give it in full here:

"E.F.Rimbault, in Gutch's Robin Hode, 1847, II, 434, reprinted as the tune of "The Jolly Pindar of Wakefield" the "Baily's Daughter" music from The Jovial Crew. Rimbault did not mention the ballad opera but named as the source of his tune "an old MS in lute tablature, formerly in the collection of the Rev. Mr. Gosling, of Canterbury." What he called "another copy of this tune" in Cambridge University MS Dd.3.18 is evidently "Wakefilde on a green," fol.11v, an entirely different air. It's title, coming from the burden of "The Jolly Pinder," probably led Rimbault to an association which the music does not justify."

(I can't decide if Simpson is saying that the tune was just wrongly associated with The Bailiff's Daughter, or that Rimbault incorrectly assumed that Dd.3.18 is for The Jolly Pinder when it's not!).

Hope this is of use.
Mick



X: 1
T:Robin Hood And The Pindar of Wakefield
M:6/8
L:1/8
SChappell: Popular Music of the Olden Time Vol II
K:DDor
A|d2 d d2 d|cdB A2 d|d2 d d>cB|A3-A2
w:In Wakefield there lives a jol-ly Pin-der, In Wake-field all on a green_
d|d2 d d>cB|A3-A2|
w:In Wake-field all on a green_
A|d2 d d2 d|cdB A2 d|d2 d d>cB|A3-A2
w:There's neither Knight nor Squire, says the Pin-der, Nor Baron that is_ so bold_
d|d2 d d>cB|A3-A2|
w:Nor Baron that is_ so bold
A|A>AA A>AA|AAB c2 G/G/|A2 A G>FE| D3-D2
w:Dare make a tres-pass to the town of Wake-field, But his pledge goes to the Pin-fold_,
G|A2 A G>FE|D3-D2||
w:His pledge goes to the Pin-fold_