sorry all ..called away to domestic emergency.

Now where were we ....Oh yes Rarelamb.

Conspiracy!!! Is that the best you can do.
There is no conspiracy theory in my argument. the factions competing for power are well defined.
Shia in the South the largest faction, tied to Iran and Fundamentalism.
Do they want democracy?...Not bloody likely!!

Sunni in the centre..... will have little or no power under the new constitution.
Do they want democracy?...Do turkeys vote for Christmas!!

Kurdish warlords in the north...thirsting for independence, oil money and power thereoff.
A democratic Iraq? they dont need it ...dont want it.

"I don't know if the Iraqi govt is complicit in this instance of torture and it is obvious that you do not either"

The torture has been taking place in Govt buildings, which rather proves that either the Govt were complicit, or have absolutely no control over the militias .
I believe the latter to be the case as the shia militias recognise
the "Govt" to be an American puppet.

Civil rights agencies in Iraq have been warning of widespread torture in both American and Iraqi detention centres for over a year and state that top Govt leaders use militias to torture and kill prisoners

On TV tonight...pictures of prisoners released yesterday most of whom had pieces of skin missing from backs an bellies.

"Personally, i'de like to see more fact than speculation."

In Iraq there is no such thing as fact, only spin, but I understand your reluctance to speculate.
Like Burns on evicting the mouse
                  
                "I weary backwards cast ma ee'
                  on prospects drear.
                  And forward,tho' ah canna see,
                  I guess....and fear.