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Thread #86413   Message #1607579
Posted By: GUEST
17-Nov-05 - 05:39 PM
Thread Name: BS: Woodward blows Scooter indictment away
Subject: RE: BS: Woodward blows Scooter indictment away
BB:

By the way, Clinton lied -- just like he was charged with. Doesn't much matter whether he had sex with Monica or not, because what he is charged with is falsifying evidence before the committee.

Do try to get your facts straight. Clinton was never charged with "falsifying evidence before a committee" (and the day that Congress starts holding committee hearings as to whether someone got a knobby or not is the day they prove their irrelevance and banality).

But FWIW, as long as you're getting into matters of law (as you will shortly down below), the law (18 U.S.C. 1621-23) does care not whether something is embarrassing, but rather whether something is material to the case at hand. And a very good argument can be made that Clinton's activities with Lewinsky were not in any way material to Jones's case (see, e.g., FRE Rules 412-415, for when such type evidence is admissible).

The law works on precedence: The DEMOCRATS have established that lying to a grand jury is no big deal.

The only one around that lied to a grand jury was Scooter.

I think BOTH of them should be jailed: BUT if you let Slick Willy off, you have to let Scooter off, to be fair. Isn't that what justice is about?

Nonsense. Lying about a maladministration effort to slime its critics and outing a CIA officer in the process (arguably done in the course of "official duties") is a far more serious offence than lying in the course of a private civil suit about things that happened long before that person ever took office. Hope you can discern the difference. But, additionally, there is the matter of materiality I mentioned above; if it's NOYB, then it doesn't matter if the person lies his head off to you when you ask, particularly if you're just trying to do it to embarrass him (and for the latter proposition, see also FRE Rule 403).

Your effort to equate the two just won't wash .... instead you're shown to be a Dubya suckup willing to go to any lengths of hypocrisy and illogic when it's your ox that's being gored. Tell me again what a choirboy Scooter is.... And then try and convince an increasingly sceptical American public that he was doing a good thing with his sliming.

Cheers,