Roger, you say "I think your intentions are probably very good but this is opening one huge can of worms. And as the thinking on and around this issue remains very confused - perhaps any attempt to impose your thinking upon other people and in different cultures is best undertaken when the general thinking behind it is less confused than at present and at a time when there is less chance of these attempts being counter-productive?"

And that strikes me as being disingenuous in the extreme. Just when do you propose will be a less "confused" time? And how is it to become less confused? We are adults here, and imo this is an excellent time to learn something. Azizi may be confrontational - indeed, I hope she is - but she is NOT hostile. Let's sit down and shut up for a bit.