A couple of qualifiers here. First, I have quarrelled with Martin Gibson many times when I thought he was crass, or just being nasty. Second, I have quarrelled with Gargoyle many times when I thought he was being crass or nasty. This makes me an equal opportunity quarreller with those being crass or nasty.

Martin didn't do a thing wrong here. Folks, it shows a lack of depth when you don't recognize change. Martin started a thread about two of the quintessiental 'NAMES' in our world. He simply asked a question. The combativeness was not started by him. And when someone else started, he reacted in a rather subdued way when compared to his earlier postings. There is no need for Joe, or any of us, to admonish him to behave. He is, and has been as of late, unless attacked.

Don't mistake me here. A return to the old ways will lead me to do what I have been doing right along. But failure to recognize change is just as bad.

Mick