I understand, Foolestroupe, but I get tired of the same old cast of characters who seek every opportunity to trash Americans and the USA at the drop of a hat. Even in this debate they seek to somehow lessen the gravity of 9-11 and this country's response in order that they can pursue their agenda. THERE WERE OVER 3,000 PEOPLE KILLED IN A SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK. That necessitates a response to insure it doesn't happen again. We are an extraordinarily open society which makes us vulnerable. If you want to debate the smugness and world view which made and continues to make us vulnerable, then I am with you. I am perfectly willing to have a discussion of how the conservative fundamentalist hawks have used Homeland Security Act for reasons far beyond the scope of keeping us all safe from the attacks that THE TERRORISTS HAVE PROMISED WILL COME. But when I look at this thread, beginning with its sarcastic title, and see otherwise bright people using it for no reason other than to denigrate all things American, I get tired of it. When you do this, you are employing the same tactic that those you detest use.

Mick