I am reminded of the Sheffield Carols where the material was thought unsuitable for singing in churches. So the singing of them moved to into the pubs. Now this tradition is again threatened in these pubs for the reasons I previously gave.

I am not sure why Roger says the carols are under threat. No doubt he has evidence to support this assertion.

From where I sit at my computer I can see three pubs where carolling takes place on a regular basis. I go to a number of carolling spots on a regular basis. I am in the heart of carolling country so to speak.

None of these are under threat. I have visited other venues where carolling takes place already this year, and I am going to another three or four before Xmas and none of these are under threat either.

One pub has revived its singing on a Monday night. Another introduced singing two years ago and is delighted with the response. Other places have record numbers of people and books of words and music are constantly reprinted as new singers anxious to join in the tradition purchase them. Anahata in another context recently made reference to a new edition this year of the "Jack Goodison" book which I understand is selling well.

The traditions around Derbyshire especially Eyam have taken on a new lease of life too.

There is an issue with one regular carolling place - but the landlord has asked for no publicity and I respect his wishes. So I am not going to refer to previous threads where this has been mentioned for that reason.

As far as I am aware Roger has never been to Sheffield for the carols and he recently referred to this world famous tradition as being akin to "cockney knees up".

The history and fact that the carols may be 'traditional' makes it little different from a cockney knees-up around a pub piano.

From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 09:55 AM

So there is my evidence that Roger said it was "little different from a cockney knees up"

Where is Roger's that the carols are under threat?