Sorry, Rapaire, I cannot read most of what you posted; it's just too much for my sensitivity and, many years ago when I was quite involved in animal rights, I heard all of the pro/con arguments. All I can say is I believe animals are equal in the eyes of my god/goddess and should be treated as such. The REAL solution, in our country at least are NO KILL SHELTERS and SPAYING & NEUTERING.

Also, I do not know what to say to you about "alive" thing. I saw the footage on CNN; I trust the people who brought it to the world's attention. Perhaps you can find another source which will convince you.

These days I am more protective of my *heart* and emotional health. Sorry this is it for me in this thread. Thanks, folks.

kat