You can simplisitically define people who do bad things as "bad people" if you want, Shambles. I don't. I define them as deluded, confused, conflicted, frightened, desperate, unaware or ignorant people.

Do you think all the words you used actually come under the unbrella of good things then or could they all be described in simple terms as bad things? These words do tend to sound like the excuses they so often are.

Some posters here would appear to want muddy the waters and would wish us to consider in defence of organised religion that people who do bad things in its name are in fact really good people.....

Or wish to further complicate and excuse organised religion by the use of yet another word to describe 'good' people doing things in the name of their organised religion - as fundamentalists............

Perhaps sruggling with the words good or bad aleady present us with enough problems without the need to introduce yet more words to argue over and to further complicate the debate?