What Jerry says is right, Shambles--there is a basic fallacy in this thread premise. As he says, there are abuses of love, patriotism--and for sure, religion. It does not negate that there is good in each one of these.

Again--how about live and let live----or do you want that thread on why nonbelievers have been responsible for far more deaths in human history than believers have been? (The 20th century gives non-believers an unfair advantage in this contest.)