Gee whiz, every time I try to post this, it doesn't take... now if I did have a psychotic dislike of certain ethnic groups I might really believe there was some conspiracy going on... :-) I could even be mistaken for a Jew in some circumstances... ;-)

Of course calling someone a 'Jew Hater' has been Marty the Arsehole's standard tactic for ages - he uses it indiscriminately - from my experience with him, I believe that he would even use it against other Jews. In intellectual discussions that stray into emotional territory, those who are not committed to either side as a matter of 'faith', always get pelted with stones from all others who are. But don't forget that Marty is just a 'Proxy Slimer' - throwing other people's nasty ideas around to self aggrandise himself by putting others down.

And of course, now I am in the very position of what someone on the receiving end of The US Patriot Act, or Joe McCarthy has had to do - prove my innocence beyond all doubt, even though there is nothing but a malicious attack just to discredit me.

And of course Marty has got you all distracted from the original subject of the thread by waving a highly emotionally charged red herring like a red rag to a bull.

"please substantiate your statement that Palestinians have deeds/titles to the lands they claim "

I have never been there - I have only seen this in documentaries (screened here in Oz on SBS - sourced from overseas countries, such as the USA, Canada, France, Germany, et al) in which the people hold tattered old pieces of paper with official stamps on in a language which I cannot understand but the reporter claims are authentic looking appropriate documents. I don't keep a diary of what I watch and when sorry...

Thanks for the interesting link - but since I have no real idea who 'owns' CAMERA, although the self explanation on the site gives some hints as to what their agenda is, I will place no more objective believability in their content than any other source of 'alleged absolute truth' without further investigation of the source.

"taken his land for public use" .. and then sold it to 'settlers'? There has been discussion here on Mudcat about the US Govt seizing 'private land for public use', and how many are not happy with it, even though it is 'the law of the land, upheld in the courts'... And of course, just what is 'Jewish Land'? What the UN passed 'a just and proper law' to designate as 'Israel', even though many of the then occupants were to be removed of their homes? Or what some Jewish prophet said the voice inside his head told him 'would be Jewish land for ever', even though for the last 2 thousand years and a bit other nations have been tromping their armies all over it calling it 'theirs'? In that case, does it include land on the map outside the 'lawfully designated' borders of 'Israel' - which is what I was referring to as 'Palestine'?

I also have no doubt that some people have gone thru the valid 'legal processes' for acquiring the land from someone, but also in passing I must note that in 30's Germany, valid (not my definition!) 'legal processes' existed to strip on a whim Jewish and other German citizens of their property without reasonable and just compensation: that didn't make that morally right either!

Ah 'Balanced Coverage' - my hackles always rise when I hear that - you hear that from everybody, as if their very special personal opinion is the only real 'balanced viewpoint' (and of course it's a great 'put down' tactic to discredit all other viewpoints by implication!), including George and Johnny and their mates, and even Goebbels espoused that... Fisk's self opinionated wankerism is known to Australians, it's no secret really anyway - we don't have to rely on just him for a source here anyhow. Here in Oz, we have a program called Media Watch that investigates such things as 'journalistic distortions' and even awards prizes for the most outrageous cases. there is no shortage of people all over the world ready to point out journalistic shortcomings. Unfortunately (and it is often castigated for this!), the program also often points out that there are many groups with their own private agendas, whose only interest is to present a viewpoint favourable to just them, even if it involves misquoting 'authorities'.