Joe, you describe much of my own experience of the Episcopal Church, and of the anti-Christian rants that abound at Mudcat.

Once again I would like to offer a friendly challenge to any "naysayer" brave enough and clear-headed enough to begin to attempt to answer this question:

Can you please state what you DO believe in, in positive terms, without any denigration of any other belief system?

And, since this thread has the topic is has, perhaps anyone taking that challenge would also like to warrant that groups that believe similarly have never harmed others while hiding behind that belief system.

~Susan