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Thread #88465   Message #1665002
Posted By: CarolC
09-Feb-06 - 02:11 AM
Thread Name: BS: The right to insult and cause offence
Subject: RE: BS: The right to insult and cause offence
That strikes me as one of the most amazing rationalizations I've ever heard.
How about
Yes, there are women, Bill, who feel that female circumcision liberates them from the urge for sex, believe it or not. They feel that it renders them immune from the temptations of sexual pleasure.
or
Yes, there are women, Bill, who feel that being excluded from any control or possession over their home or their family allows them the liberation of not having to worry about those things.


Lonesome EJ, do you really put female circumcision and being excluded from any control of possessions in the same category as wearing a burka?

I'm a woman and I certainly don't. In fact, I would say for you to do so is one of the most amazing rationalizations I've ever heard. And believe it or not, when I was much younger, had I had the option of wearing something like a burka for just that reason (not being seen as a sex object), I might just have done it. There was a time in my life when I wanted people to notice who I am as a person, and also the quality of my mind, and not see me only as a potential sex partner. It's something a lot of women experience. Since you are NOT a woman, I don't expect you to understand.

However, women who are subjected to abuses such as female circumcision and being excluded from having control of possessions (a state of affairs that is hardly exclusive to Muslims, and also that is most certainly not experienced by all Muslim women), and also the women who do not have a choice of whether or not to wear a burka, these women really don't need to be ridiculed in the press. Their lives are difficult enough as it is. And to depict them in the way that one cartoon depicted them is incredibly insensitive, and is demeaning and humiliating. If you really gave even a tiny shit about them, you wouldn't be trying to justify that sort of thing.

So I can only conclude that if you are trying to justify it, you are only doing so for the purpose of inciting hatred, and not out of any concern for the women themselves.