As I had left when Simon & partner arrived John gave me the gist of the meeting. A thought on this is that it is not just the relief landlords that we want to sit down with, it's also a full time representetive from the brewery, as we are all fully aware without their full commitment to put right the general workings of the pub,and commitment to produce a lasting landlord, it just aint gonna work . So if Simon and his partner are following this thread, set up the meeting, let us know the venue time and date and we will be there to meet you, none of us want to see the pub go but it has to be brought into good order, also the committee fringe will be there, Cheers Oombanjo. ps I'll be at Gainsborough this week end for the first of the year Old time music fest.have a goodun