believe me - I have been looking at devices costing considerably more than a weeks wages and they don't include timers but seem to make a meal of the fact that they can tell the time. go figure.

I haven't been able to get the Harmony pdf manual.

Sony say their device has timers and the manual doesn't mention them, and a reviewer does - or their absence. Sony should be held to account for their lies.

I can see the problem though. Man the hunter works it all out and a tidy wife find a remote sitting in the wrong place (pointing at the TV/VHS/Satbox etc) and puts it in the cupboard.

Who do you blame when it doesn't work? Sony/Philips/Gizmo.com. Solution - function removed from marketing wish list. That's progress.

Who wants it anyway. Exit Mr Red from shop pointing out the customer is not a customer.