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Thread #90009   Message #1704383
Posted By: Little Hawk
28-Mar-06 - 02:23 AM
Thread Name: BS: Why does everyone hate America
Subject: RE: BS: Why does everyone hate America
Yes, I follow your reasoning on that, Purple Fox. I think, though, that Hitler's fantasies were generally a world apart from the strategic realities of the situation, and were highly unlikely to ever have come about...specially the scenario you suggest.

It's curious that although the Germans had made the first attempts in the direction of research that could have led to nuclear weapons, Hitler himself seems to have shown very little interest in the atomic project. Accordingly, it was not pressed with much emphasis or effectiveness. Their jet project, likeways, was delayed by a couple of years through foolish decisions....they thought the war would be over quite soon, so no need to push it, because the Me 109 was enough to win the air war by itself! (they expected England to "see reason" after the Fall of France, and negotiate a ceasefire in a few months...not surrender. They then expected to have a free hand to invade not England, but Russia.)

They had the V-2 rocket by late '44, a true ballistic missile. It was capable of hitting targets in southern England, but only with a conventional warhead. They might have developed a rocket capable of reaching the USA in a few more years...maybe...but Hitler's main effort was always in the East...Russia...and fighting the Russians was really all Germany could handle in that war, and there was no guarantee of victory there either. Russia alone could well exhaust the resources of the Reich.

The situation with atomic bombs in the early years was...you could only afford to make a few of them. The USA had exactly 2 ready to drop on Japan in August '45. That was all they had. Period. How many could the Germans have had ready, even supposing they had been able to conquer Russia and England and be free for such a huge national effort directed elsewhere? Could they have managed to make 2 or 3 bombs? Maybe. What chance that the USA would have had the same number of A-bombs by then or more? Germany is a small country, geographically speaking, the USA is enormous. The Americans had the long range bombers and the Navy to launch effective across-ocean attacks invasions and attacks. The Germans didn't.

I believe that your scenario is very unlikely to have been achievable at all...but if we assume it could have happened, I would see it this way: Germany could have damaged the USA with 2 or 3 A-bomb hits, yes. The USA could have effectively ruined most of central Germany with 2 or 3 in return.

So again, I see the Americans holding the winning hand....regardless.

You cannot win a war against the USA with 2 or 3 atomic bombs. The USA is simply too big for that. You could win a war against Hitler with 2 or 3. Just make sure one lands on Berlin.

Hitler spent a lot of time trying to convince the Germans and the rest of the world that they were supermen. Western paranoia about the incredible things the Nazis might have done "if" seems, ironically, to measure them by the same yardstick! ;-D

They were in no position to challenge the combined might of Russia, the UK, and America. With stunningly fine leadership and a whole lot of serious blundering by the Allies the Germans might have won WWII. I'll grant that. But with stunningly fine leadership they would never even have gotten into that idiotic war...

So it's a moot point, isn't it?