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Thread #90128   Message #1705599
Posted By: Paul Burke
29-Mar-06 - 09:37 AM
Thread Name: happy? - Mar 29 (Blood Red Roses)
Subject: RE: happy? - Mar 29 (Blood Red Roses)
You might take the fact that only Fuegans knew about Cape Horn in 1461, and quite probably didn't call it that, as circumstantial evidence against.

But another battle a couple of years before (Blore Heath, 1459) just possibly gave rise to the phrase "to be at loggerheads". The battlefield was within a mile or two of a place called Loggerheads, between Newcastle under Lyme and Market Drayton in Shropshire. The Lancastrians lost that one too.