here are two old threads which will save me some typing..the first is on 'why' we come here, but has a lot of when & how, the 2nd is part of the history.http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4895#27517
and
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3819#19915
(The second link should work now)