>>It isn't a question of win or lose, Guest. We were just talking about that. This is not a competition here between Jesus and Judas, okay?<<

There is clearly a hierarchy of suffering. To deny this is to admit that anyone--anyone--could be hailed as the savior of humanity if the amount of suffering didn't matter. It clearly matters or otherwise Christians could have simply had Jesus die of old age for all the difference it makes. In fact, early Christians did believe just that and you can see how long that view hung around.

So, clearly, he who suffered more for humanity is obviously the savior of humanity. Just today I drove passed a church where the little billboard read, "Jesus Could Have Saved Himself But Then Where Would You Be?" Christians obviously believe the amount of suffering matters.

Judas is therefore the savior of humanity. Judas went to hell for eternity, folks, so that you could be assured passge to heaven. All Hail Judas--the Greatest Man That Ever Lived! The True Savior whose day has finally arrived to take back his rightful title from that ungrateful little usurper who stole all his credit.