God try Michael. I may not agree with what you say in your post but I do recognise your right to say it and your bravery to try and say it in this thread probably deserves a considered response.

This conduct instigated, encouraged and eagerly followed could in part be due the the resident scapegoat being absent.

Martin Gibson to vist Europe

The point is - where is the right place for all this BS? It is here on this section. So why try to squeeze it eleswhere? For without this section acting as a safety valve it would be in every post all over the music section.

This is the point - the two sections are different animals. To treat them the same (as the current failed measures attempt to do), to make any attempt to 'tidy-up' the BS section or impose more censorship or make any further restrictions to it (other than encourage posters by example, not to indulge and respond in kind to the worst excesses) will have a knock-on effect to the music section.

That is why the bit about having a 'review' of all the Guest posts on the music section was 'tacked-on' as an afterthought to Joe Offer's peoposal. If it is not broke - please stop tinkering with it by attempts to further shape it to the tastes of a certain few...

And if anyone does not like our forum - 'warts and all' they can always try to set a better example of posting themselves or they are welcome to go elsewhere, where ganging-up, bullying and shouting down the views of their fellow posters would be considered as acceptable examples to set and follow.