Subject: RE: SURVEY: How many post to Mudcat ONLY?
From: John 'Giok' MacKenzie - PM
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 05:46 AM

What a boring life some people must lead!

Bill - the time and trouble you took in order to post your latest personal judgement - deserves the similar effort in return. Or perhaps it does not?
You judge.

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Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 03:59 AM

Well, I actually get more flak about what what we don't delete, than about what we do delete. Generally we follow the same guidelines we've always followed - we delete personal attacks, threats, racism, and Spam - but we do our best to allow people to express their thoughts and opinions freely. I suppose some of those opinions are objectionable, but if they're not outright hateful, we usually don't delete them - much to the chagrin of some Mudcatters.

For a long time, I opposed members-only posting, because I didn't want to scare away visitors or make Mudcat a closed, exclusive club. And yes, we have a lot of that exclusivity already - I feel like an outsider myself when I go into the "BS" section. But our nastiness has been too much, and it has gone on far too long, to the point where it's impossible to carry on an intelligent discussion on most non-music subjects nowadays. I have three Mudcatters on 100% review much of the time, and I have to do partial review on a number of others, and then I have to deal with all sorts of petty complaints about so-and-so saying this or that - and I deny about half the deletion requests I get, and undelete a fair number of messages deleted by JoeClones.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

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"whole purpose ... be designed to make life easier for ... posters with edit buttons" This of course was a question. (indicated here by this little symbol - ?)

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 06:56 AM

Where is the problem that this proposal is supposed to be fixing for us?

It is proposed only because the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has now publicly admitted the failure of the current measures to impose the peace that he requires.

Should the whole purpose of our forum really now be designed to make life easier for our fellow posters with edit buttons?

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" does not wish the posters there to be informed."

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 03:00 PM

Perhaps this thread can remain in the music related section for the benefit of those posters in this section who will be affected by this proposal?

Sorry, Shambles. Request refused. Contact Max directly if you'd like to appeal the decision.
-Joe Offer-