Carol - definitely knocker-downers of icons in the larger world.

I'd call them iconoclasts because they don't go with the consensus, they have their own views irrespective of supposed normal thinking, which is not usually thinking anyway but just not wanting to stand out or wanting to belong. Thinking is,as has been pointed out before, actually quite difficult.

Iconoclasts are happy to criticise mainstream society's idols - money, B.Pitt, Hollywood, the Queen, language, shopping, celebrity, multinationals, blaming, rational man - you know, nothing controversial.


   Ivor