Yes I'm a shrugger too, but it has been enlightening watching this play out. Every so often when it got really nasty I would wade in and defend shambles, not because I thought he particularly needed it, he is eloquent and able to deliver his view point well, but because I can't abide bullying.

I then watched as my posts were being deleted, and believe me they contained nothing insulting or derogatory, then I noticed another wader inner was also having his/her posts deleted, and that is when I shrugged.

And lo and behold a " See shambles nobody else agrees with you" post would appear in the thread. I realised that it suited some peoples agenda to present a one sided view of proceedings, and no matter how underhand they needed to be in order to do that, they were prepared to stoop that low to prove their point.

But now I feel he has turned a huge corner. His detractors are actually unwittingly proving his point for him. Their insults fly and they feel safe to let them fly.

Intriguing indeed.