That question has already been answered Roger, you may not like the answer, or the fact that it was answered by Joe and not by Max, and that is sticking in your craw.
Nonetheless it has been answered, it is obvious that you and Joe will never see eye to eye, and it is obvious too that you are trying to sideline him, by appealing to Max over his head.
I really think you should give up, the fight is uneven and unending, and neither will win. Why don't you call a truce?
Giok