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Thread #91595   Message #1743765
Posted By: Rasener
19-May-06 - 05:59 AM
Thread Name: BS: Netherlands solves Muslim problem
Subject: RE: BS: Netherlands solves Muslim problem
Talking to my wife who is Dutch and piecing together her thoughts and comments made to me from her father when he was alive, I will attempt to give a very general comment. Please don't shoot me down, but I am sure their is factual info here.

Firstly, Holland was very fastidious about keeping records for everybody living in Holland.
The Germans blasted Rotterdam to pieces and basically that caused the surrender to the Germans.
That made it very easy for the Germans to take the records and do with them what they wanted. I do know that the resistance did their best to burn as many records as they could, but I think they probably got caught with their pants down.
There are bound to be people who helped the Germans, just like in all the other countries, if only to save their own skins.
In fact that happened in Holland with the Jews themselves. The Germans were very clever and appointed Jews to decide who would be sent to the camps and who wouldn't. In the end it bounced back on them, when the Germans sent all Jews to the camps.
I lived in Holland only 1/4 of a mile from The Artis in Amsterdam where the records were kept, and I beleive the resistance attempted to get the records destroyed but failed. This led to the Germans rounding all the Jews up and taking them to the theatre on the opposite side of the road. From there they were sent to one of the camps. The theatre is now a shrine to the memory of all the people who were shipped to the camps. Its a very sombering and disturbing place to visit.
Anyway I can remember my father in law telling me about how the Germans threatened to flatten Amsterdam unless they surrendered and leaving the Amsterdammers no choice but to surrender. My father in law was not Jewish, but he had a lot of friends who were. He wouldn't really talk anymore about it. However, he did say one thing that really stunned me, becuase I had no idea how bad it was in those time. He said that they were all starving and they ate the dutch bulbs in order to survive. Again, I think the memories were too painful for him to let his heart out.
He did tell me how much they hated the Germans and even to the day he died, would send a German in the opposite direction when asked for directions to somewhere.
Another thing that he said was, one way they could detect if somebody was a German or imposter was to get them to pronounce "Scheveningen". If they were Foreign, they pronounced it totally wrong.

Anyway John, not knocking your sources,but I personally do not beleive that the Dutch were ever in a position to withstand the Germans and their might. I think you need to put yourself in their position and see how you might reacte against those Nazi's.

Little sort of in joke.

The Dutch hated the Germans more than the Britsh ever could do when they are on Holiday and the Germans pinch the best places on the beach LOL :-)

Anyway to put things in perspective, the hatred of the Dutch football team against the German Football team is so intense, its worse than Man U/ Man City, Villa/Bham City, Glasgow Rangers/Glasgow Celtic, and that is saying something.

The younger people in Holland are very tolerant with the Germans now, but are taught never to forget what happened.