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Thread #91948   Message #1753991
Posted By: Azizi
06-Jun-06 - 06:58 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Kid's rhymes: Big Mac, Coca Cola & more
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kid's rhymes: Big Mac, Coca Cola & more
Does "drop the ball" means the same thing as "bounce the ball" which is what I think most people in the United States say for the action of a person hitting [or throwing] the ball on the floor one time and then catching it to the beat of the rhyme.

Is that what you meant? That's how I pictured it when I read your rhyme example. Btw, what country are you from. I'm just curious because of the difference in phrases.

Mo the caller, and Robyn, am I remembering correctly that you both are from England? I think I remember reading that in another thread or even asking you both that before. I don't think that the program Postman Pat was in the United States. When I was growing up in the 1950s two little children's educational/entertainment shows we had were "Romper Room" and "Captain Kangaroo". "Mr Rogers' Neighborhood" came later. That program and "Sesame Street" are still aired on television.

I recognize that television is a medium of teaching children's rhymes {Mother Goose rhymes and others]. I think that-at least currently-to a much lesser extent for teens and younger ages, the Internet also is a medium for spreading children's rhymes, and acquainting children and adults to the fact that there may be and often are different versions of the same rhyme. Most children [and quite a few adults] think that there is only one version of children's rhymes-their version. Also, if they think about it at all {and I believe most people don't}, most people assume that kids throughout the world "perform" the rhyme the same way as they do. For instance, if two girls chant a rhyme while alternately clapping or slapping each other's hands, then when a person reads this rhyme, they think that is the only movements that 'can' or 'should' occur with that particular rhyme.

It seems to me that the tune a rhyme uses is much more constant than how it is performed or its words. And the words are the least constant of the three.

Some words to children's "playground" or "street" rhymes demonstrate a great deal of stability in their words. I think 1 potato; 2 potato" is one of those rhymes. But there are other children's playground rhymes {and I'm purposely excluding Mother Goose rhymes from this particular comment} whose verses have changed somewhat or a great deal over time, in different places, and-I maintain-among different groups of people. While publishing a rhyme greatly adds to the likelihood that there will be a standard version, other versions of that published rhyme still can exists {because after all, books and other forms of the printed word are usually not the primary way that children learn rhymes. They usually learn them from other children}.

To demonstrate the fact that the words to rhymes change among groups of people, see my next post to this thread for an example of how the words to "I like coffee, I like tea" has changed among some African American girls.