Ok Robin. I was zoned in on US history, since it seemed to be a US thing we might be discussing here, due to the recent resident manipulators; pandering to the fundies again.

But there are more recent (than the assualt on the pagans) historical precedents for what's going on in the US now. At the moment I'm committed to a meeting I need to prep for, but I'll try to be back in a few hours.

John