>>>From: M.Ted - PM Date: 08 Jun 06 - 05:31 PM
I taught for a number of years, and know quite a number of teachers, Lizzie--they tend to be happy to see parents like you leave the system--the reasons for it are evident in your post--You think that they are lazy, uncaring, and uninterested in their kids. You also think that the answers to all the problems in education are simple, and the that the reason that they haven't been solved is that the teachers are all too stupid and too stubborn to do what is so obvious to you.--You also think that it is the teachers responsibility to solve every problem related to the education of your children, and at the same time, that teachers have no right or business telling your children what they can and cannot do. I can assure you that they are happy to be rid of you--At the same time though, they are sorry to lose your children, because they really do care about them, and they are disturbed by the very real possibility that, rather than giving them an education, you are simply indoctrinating them with all of your prejudices--<<<
Far from being the parents from hell, my husband and I were nothing but supportive of good teachers. Even with the bad ones we, wrongly with hindsight, kept quiet. My children were apparently always 'a pleasure to teach.'
I'd suggest you take the time to read my post again. Most of what you have quoted is not what I said at all. It is what YOU have said. And far from being 'indoctrinated' by us, our children are now more free than they have ever been, to learn whatever they so choose. They both read masses of books, taking in, along the way, hundreds of ideas, opinions and outlooks from all sorts of people. They will talk easily and intelligently to anyone, of any age, any background, any colour. They put no labels upon any person.
And as far teachers being sorry to lose my children whom they 'cared' for so much...No, that is totally and utterly wrong! My daughter was falling apart in front of their eyes, yet all they could do was put even more pressure on her, to achieve, to belong to after-school clubs, to take test after test...but NEVER once was she asked if she was OK, never was she *asked* anything at all. But she was dictated to, over and over.
And as for these *pathetic* words:
>>>From: Wilfried Schaum - PM Date: 09 Jun 06 - 11:13 AM
Well roared, lion - that is one of the causes why I always preferred to teach adults (my mother wanted to see me as a college techer - beware!). No bloody parents to obstruct your efforts, and the adults are responsible for their work themselves. I always started with high demands; when the stupid, the idle, and the lazy had left the lessons, I lowered them, and it was real fun to work with the enquiring and assiduous. For them I cared a lot, and I got many thanks.<<<
...all I can say is Thank God, that this person chose never to teach children. How many children would have had their lives blighted by that horrendous outlook? How DARE he assume that any child is 'stupid' and therefore not worth teaching? (!!!) How dare he fail to see that the 'lazy' or 'idle' child has merely switched off through utter boredom or because they are unable to cope with learning in a way which is totally alien to them, about a subject in which they may have no interest whatsoever, taught to them by someone who may also have no interest in *them* whatsoever? (!!!)
How *DARE* he assume that he is more intelligent than others, purely because he calls himself a teacher! Well....I'll tell you what a true teacher is. It is someone who cares deeply about children, not just about getting them through exams and thus giving their school a 'glowing' end of year report, but about the WHOLE child! It is about that one person who can see that the 'stupid' child is anything but that. It is about that one person who knows how to reach out, how to make anything interesting, how to feel what the child is feeling, to empathise with them, get inside their heads and try to free them. It is about a person who does not criticise, unless it is totally constructive and who encourages at every turn. It is about someone who desperately wants all of their children to reach the best of their ability.
But..can ONE teacher do that for 30 or so children at once? Of course not. It is unfair on the teacher and the child. The National Curriculum will not let good teachers teach as they want to. No longer can they digress from one particular subject and follow down many side roads, to come to the same destination, along the way perhaps lighting up many other things for a child too.
I have met a *few* wonderful, natural teachers in my life. They say you always remember the good ones. How I wish that I had met many, many more.
Oh...and 'Wilfried' before you decide to label a child 'STUPID' again, I'd suggest you read John Gatto's 'Dumbing Us Down', Ronald D. Davis 'The Gift Of Dyslexia' and take a look at the links below. (I'm afraid that I cannot activate them today, as the 'blue clicky' link isn't working, but hopefully you will take the trouble to visit these sites.)
They are about Helen Keller. A young child whom everyone had given up on, no doubt you'd have labelled her 'stupid' 'lazy' 'idle' and many more things besides, and have been glad to have been rid of her. However, good fortune...or perhaps something far greater, joined her in life with Anne Sullivan, a truly wondrous natural teacher, who, because of the way she had been treated, and the things that had happened to her in life, was determined that Helen would not spend her life 'locked away' inside her own black hole.
And..with the right teacher, utter MAGIC took place, a BRILLIANT mind was unleashed upon an unsuspecting and disbelieving world. Watch the videos of Helen 'talking' to Annie and you may even be moved to tears!
"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt within the heart." Helen Keller
"An education without a heart is no education at all" Aristotle
"Education is not the filling of a bucket, but the lighting of a fire" W.B. Yeats
There are many more words to inspire here:
And this is the Freedom In Education site, run by three Home Educated young people, now beyong school age. Intelligent, witty, industrious, kind, interesting...I could go on, but reading it will enlighten you far more:
Thanks to Barbara, by the way, for her kind post above. It was much appreciated Barbara. And finally, coming from a dyslexic family, my father, brother and now my son, I will leave you with these words:
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn - Alvin Toffler
Lizzie :0) (A BLOODY parent!)