Ron - it is obvious that you have established notions and you will look to find a link in anything I say that justifies your opinion. I never told Mudcatters to stop complaining, I never suggested that Ayn Rand was preaching moral relativism (admittedly I brought her name up as another philosophy that I abhor because it of the way it approaches absolutes - which you appear to be doing), and I did not say that Ann Coutlers BEHAVIOR was equivalent to Abbie Hoffmans (they used the same tools - agitprop - but as I stated earlier with different messages.)

When I said "we are all Martin Gibsons" I was referring to the behavior that you have been showing me and others in these forums. You choose to attack the person, won't listen to reason, and refuse to have a civil discussion. I've never asked you or anyone else to agere with me. You choose to slap down me and ignore a discussion of opinion. You are chasing people away just as Martin did.

You can slap whatever label you wish on my thoughts if you have a need to compartmentalize thinking the way you do. When I brought up Ayn Rand I was referring to her black & white take on everything. You seem to have the same issues. If person X does something wrong, there can be no discussion that explores the root of the problem. Comfortable conservatism perhaps?

I have tried to keep away from these BS forums for the very reasons that you have shown. It appears that you wish to monopolize the way all of us think.   Have yourself a real good time.