Well, Ron O, as I recall, you weren't exactly helpful in dealing with "Martin". So sorry you don't think things have improved since his departure.   I venture to say you are in a minority there.

Just consider the list I made of delightful habits he had--which we no longer see.

But political discussions are not always love-fests--sorry to break it to you--nor are they likely to be in the near future.

However, even the music threads have improved, in my view--that is after all where the late lamented "Martin" made his attack on Pete Seeger--and informed everyone in no uncertain terms that no guitars but Martin and Gibson existed--and that they couldn't possibly be musicians if they thought differently.

But this might possibly be thread creep. Why don't we just let it go?-- both of us strongly
oppose dear Ann, and that's what it's all about.