All the point raised above have value and must be considered. At Beverley we have the Main festival, the P.V.Festival was only brought into being when the main festival had a problem, and could not happen. A small group of people (some of those above) stepped in and offered to assist in the birthing of a holding fest, PVF. The result of this was widely accepted to be a success, with artists such as John Harrison ex Waterson giving time freely, (he will not be forgotten.) and the rest being hosted in the local pubs and the main dance night at the local hall sponcered by the local council, the sponcership money for this we then give year on year to the main festival, The result of this was that lots of local people found an interest in the music which carries on to this day. The local council were so impressed that they gave the Fringe 24 spaces for all future festivals, these spaces were for those artists like Roger and Jim (You were missed) that spend 15 to 30 hours hosting and keeping order in the sessions. Over the following years it was obvious that although it was a bonus to have these spaces it was at the expense of the festival proper, and we cut these down to 14. 7 pubs with 2 hosts/ pub thus giving each other a break. Not one of these host spaces gets free access into any of the Main events but the majority will pay to see at least one act and support the final night. The comment as to whether the fringe becomes the main, if the main does not exist I agree it does, the only consideration on this is that with PVF it was free to and for all, and if ever called on again, my hope is that it will continue to be so. cheers Oombanjo