well not really Villan.

as I've said before, I don't know much about football, but I can see it means a lot to an awful lot of people. and I think theres a feeling abroad in the land that the country wasn't represented the way it would have liked to have been.

If they'd played well and given a respectable display and then got beat, fair enough. But I suspect it didn't feel much like that to the average England fan. Strange stuff was going on. Think for example, about all those shots at goal by Lampard - what WAS all that about?

Whether it was at player level, manager level, club level.... I don't know. But I can't think of a better time to hold the debate.