Azizi - I thought it would be better to quote you, because if I edited your words, then I'd be putting up what I thought you meant, instead of what you said. Not my job. I don't disagree with much you've said except the "emotional support" stuff (sure that happens, but so does sniping and whining and bitching, and those probably aren't what Max had in mind). Also seriously doubt that organization and community are interchangeable terms. Most of the communities I know - especially online communities - are far from organized. They just are; and they are what they are (however counterproductive you think that may be). I don't see that Mudcat is aimed at making things happen; I see it as aimed at letting things happen, providing a medium for some things to happen. Not all of them particularly beneficial, but that's true of any community.