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Thread #92618   Message #1784041
Posted By: CarolC
15-Jul-06 - 02:53 AM
Thread Name: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
You may say anything you wish. But as I have made not statements regarding whether I approve Israel's actions or not, I don't think you can safely say it. I merely pointed out the flaws in some of the pro Palestinean arguments.

You do support them. If you didn't, you wouldn't have felt the need to point out what you consider to be the flaws in what you call "pro Palestinian arguments" and you wouldn't be making those particular arguments. And you wouldn't frame it in terms like "pro Palestinian". That is the language of "anti Palestinians".

What sophistry--a fancy word for bullshit--is here at Mudcat, especially by the Palestinean apologists!
"Hezbullah is not the government of Lebananon"...Hezbullah comprises a part of the Lebanese government.


What sophistry yourself. The Lebanese government is faced with a choice between allowing Hezbullah to have a part in its government or face the dissolution of its country into another bloody sectarian war. The government of Lebanon is not responsible for the actions of Hezbullah, and it is not in a position to do much about their actions without risking such an outcome. The government of Lebanon has asked both the government of Israel and the UN to help them resolve this crisis. So far, Israel is not interested in helping them do this.

"The militant arm of Hamas is not the Palestinean government"...it is Hamas and Hamas is the current government of Palestinean Gaza.

If Israel punishes the Palestinian civilians for the actions of the militant arm of Hamas, even if Hamas is the current government of Palestinian Gaza, they are using exactly the same logic that Palestinians who bomb Israeli civilians are using to justify their actions... the logic being that either Palestinian or Israeli civilians should be punished for the actions of their governments. And that logic is the logic of collective punishment, a favorite tactic of the Nazis.

Israelis have not retaliated againt Gaza and Lebanon because a couple of soldiers have been killed or captured.

Yes they have.

That was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back for months of rocket attacks from Gaza and Lebanon and the occasional murderous suicide bombings.

Months of rocket attacks from Lebanon?

Israel was conducting rocket attacks against Gaza, killing many civilians there, even when Hamas was conducting a year long unilateral ceasefire. Anyone who believes that Israelis are the only people who are entitled to say enough is enough is a bigot, a racist, and a supremacist.

While the Palestinean apologists profess to have no animus against Israelis, per se, any solution they see as equitable would, in fact, have the same result as physically destroying Israel.

This is not true.

I have more respect for those who are honest enough to espouse outright destruction; I disagree with that of course.

More sophistry. You are implying that those who support human rights for Palestinians, by virtue of this non-sequitur of yours "any solution they see as equitable would, in fact, have the same result as physically destroying Israel", are covertly supporting Israel's outright destruction.

And lastly you bring in that boogey man term Nazi to tar me with. I don't think so Carol!

Oh, but I do think so, John. Good night yourself.