This is hard to do....I am startled by your reply. I tried to say I am upset by BOTH sides actions in this turmoil, but you see only that I am upset by your side's actions. That does NOT equate to defending Israel.


"If you want to engage in reasoned argument, you will take everything that I say that you want to dispute, and you will provide your counter arguments and supporting documentation."

This is precisely the sort of 'list making' I reject. I could never prove a point using this technique, as you would simply provide your lists. I don't know how to respond to arguments which have a great deal of the "When are you going to stop beating your wife?" built into them.

" I can only assume that since you are directing this toward me, you are saying that I have been doing these things. This is not reasoned argument. This is an ad hominem attack. "

..no, I'm sorry...it is not. I explained why I saw certain tendencies in the formyour arguments--I did NOT resort to simply calling you names and denigrating your character to make my point. You seem to have not understood exactly what ad hominem means.


THIS is ad hominem...

"... than you have removed any doubt from my mind about whether or not you are a racist."

"... you don't see the Palestinians as human beings, Bill. It's that simple."

I realize how deeply you hold your views, Carol...but NOTHING I have said above, nor anything I have done in my life deserves that sort of response.

I am sad, hurt, and working hard to avoid simply being offended. I will try to chalk it up to your intense concern.....but I won't debate it with you any more. We have gotten to a point where we can't talk about the same things.

sadly, I am slow to realize that I should just stay away from some issues, as I cannot deal well with the "you are either for us or against us" attitude.

.....(I will NOT reply to further accusations or admonitions in this thread...if that sounds like cowardice or something, so be it...)