The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #92618   Message #1787221
Posted By: GUEST,Irwin, writing from Israel
19-Jul-06 - 09:48 AM
Thread Name: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
To CarolC, Dianavan and other assorted Israel-haters:

I understand that you are upset by us, here in Israel.

Indeed, reading Mudcat, it seems that you are always quite upset by us. One day, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians, the next day is Lebanon. I'm sure if Mudcat had existed then you would have been upset about the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.

Of course, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish People - upset people like you.

We upset a German people who elected Hitler and upset an Austrian people
who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations: Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. We go back a long, long way in the history of world upset. We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us.

In 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us.

For centuries, we upset a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through inquisitions, and we upset the arch-enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

Now CarolC repeats her lies, over and over again, endlessly in thread after thread on Mudcat, on how everything is the fault of the occupation how everything would be so utopian if we only returned to the 1967 borders.

Well, CarolC, in 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede
peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.

CarolC, why did the Palestinians massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967?

And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots between 1936 and 1939? Was it because Arabs were upset over 1967?

The UN Partition Plan in 1947 would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel. But the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews. Was that "upset" caused by the aggression of 1967?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who when they had all the territories they now demand be given to them for their state, attempted to drive the Jewish state into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "itbach-al- yahud" (Massacre the Jew!) that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream to destroy Israel.

What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today, but we should not
"repress" them. CarolC, people like you and Dianavan and ifor and that ilk stood by during the Holocaust, and again in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. People like you stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction.

And since we know that the Palestinians who chose Hamas as their government, and the Lebanese who cede control of their country to Hezbollah, dream daily of that
Extinction. We will do everything we have to do to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, CarolC, well here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.