Divis,(I can not see anything that might be considered outrageous in your post) I agree there are great fathers,(my husband for example) I am really not at all anti men,just anti tossers and as Guest 11.12 so aptley points out "Men are never stuck with women, (OR CHILDREN FOR THAT MATTER) it's common knowledge we can and do move on"

But that is not what Martin (who spends his spare time cruising the local talent from the safety of his car)is alarmed about, but that girls are choosing to become pregnant and realising that they are so much better off they are without Mr, "oh I'll hang around till you get a bit flabby them swap you for a fitter model" and deciding to become a single parent. (moving on)

Basically its the women who have the power on this one, she can decide that the Father can not see the kid, in most cases there is a reason, even if it is just because he has pissed her off. Im not saying this is a good thing as I believe that a good Father is an invaluable thing and I would not have liked to have had to bring my kids up without one. But a bad Father is not worth the effort.

What I am trying to say is that I think being a Father can be as rewarding as being a Mother. Men do seem to be more ready than women to decide that they can turn their backs on the opportunity, or less ready to decide that they are wiling to give the Mother the support and love she requires to let them stay.


Some posts back Dianavan talked about getting support from other single Mums, how they helped each other with childcare, cooking and transport, I wonder if she had been getting that help and support from her childrens Father if would she ever have become single parent?