John O'L I am sure that you are right
Every event can be seen from many perspectives.
That is why I would never presume to start one of these debates. It is also why I try to offer an altenative viewpoint to those who do.

Sweeney, I hope you have been refreshed by your trip.
Welcome back.
You said of someone "really they just search the net to find figures and throw up well doctored accounts at us."

You should not just disregard fgures, if they are objective and not disputed.
Why don't you just point out the errors in the well doctored accounts? Perhaps you could give an example of one.